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  • Navan Mehra

    Thanks Arun, but i doubt if the two provides complete details. The link for connection class redirects to connection class of SQL method and the HttpRequest one shows how to create new request. I tried these packages but these methods are not valid.

    I was able to reach to this point with some hit and trial and guess work

    operation.application.getConnection("XYZ") is a valid method which is not available in Application class methods documentation though it includes hasConnection method. On playing around with methods, it throws errors which indicate oracle.epm.api.model.connection class has methods which are not available to us yet.

    I will wait for some updates

  • Robert Angel

    Just had via the SR that other than using SSO the password policies can NOT be changed.

    Also had that the password expiry is 120 days though, no info as at writing on how long / how many the no recycle is.

  • Nathan Goodearl

    Hi Irina,

    I tested this on PBCS using the same version of Smart View on Office 365 is it worked fine. I used an ASO and BSO cube for testing.

    I see your no missing label is empty. Is that on purpose?

    Thanks,

    Nathan

     

  • Robert Angel

    Thanks Nathan, was just coming to this conclusion myself - I found a cloud document from MOS - which could be applicable which seems to indicate that apart from SSO, which the organisation in question won't want to use in this instance - you could also request a password policy change, so given that I need to know I will find out the truth of both statements.

     

    thanks again,

    Robert.

  • Nathan Goodearl

    Hi,

    I suggest you log an SR and ask Oracle. Being Cloud though I would imagine security and password policies are extremely strict. Just to recover an account requires answering 3 questions, the answers which are entered when the user is initially setup. To use a different password policy you need to integrate a SSO from an external source. PBCS will then inherit the policy of that system. See the link below.

     

    https://docs.oracle.com/en/cloud/paas/process-cloud/user/configuring-federated-sso-and-authentication.html

    Thanks,

     

    Nathan

     

  • Dayalan Punniamoorthy

    Well my strong feeling EPM automate use the PBCS user credentials, so it does apply to the PBCS too. Can't find a reference which talks specifically about the PBCS.

    Thanks,

    Dayalan P.

     

     

  • Robert Angel

    Thanks - this tells me for epmautomate - I assume the 4 months also refers to core PBCS functionality?

    There is no comment on the no recycle of password in the document.

    Anything that is core PBCS-centric.

     

    Thank you for your input,

     

    Robert.

  • Dayalan Punniamoorthy

    4 months

    Have a read on - PBCS/ EPBCS: EPMAUTOMATE to Change the Password (Doc ID 2521991.1)

    Regards,

    Dayalan P

     

  • Mark Rinaldi

    Yeah, we're getting deep into pricing (and the night).  Best to loop in a licensing expert!

  • Joel Bittick

    Mark, you're a trooper hanging this late talking EPM pricing with me.   If a client bought 10 users of Standard Cloud, used the 1 BP of Planning (which compared to the old is EPBCS with the Hybrid BSO Cube) and wanted to add Narrative Reporting (1 additional BP) in a year for 50 people, is the $2500/month regardless of user count?  And would the client be required to increased total users from 10 to 50 for the Bundle? 

    We can pick this up in the am.  Perhaps we can discuss further by phone.  

    Appreciate you.

  • Mark Rinaldi

    Remember, EPM Enterprise Cloud has a 25 user minimum compared to the 10 user minimum for EPM Standard Cloud.  If you go purely on list prices and minimum users, the breakpoint is 4 additional Business Processes (5 total) on EPM Standard Cloud with 10 users equals EPM Entrprise Cloud with 25 users.

    EPM Standard Cloud ($250 * 10 Users) + (4 Addt BPs * $2,500) = $12,500/month

    EPM Enterprise Cloud ($500 * 25 Users) + (0) = $12,500/month

    For equal money, you would surely go with EPM Enterprise for the significant, additional value and access to additional Business Processes like Tax Reporting, Profitability & Cost Management, EDM, etc.

    Your example isn't apples-to-apples as EPM Standard Cloud comes with all the Planning Modules, no 150GB storage limit, and Hybrid BSO.  Also, if you go with EPM Enterprise Cloud, you are set for all your EPM needs at the same price point.  You can add any of the Business Processes over time, as you need them.  In your example, you only have the 2 albeit at a lower list price but a la carte instead off all-you-can-eat.  No one should be thinking about the old products but, instead, think about EPM Cloud as a full-featured solution.

  • Joel Bittick

    Absolutely will see you in Seattle!  Thanks for the quick reply.

    That $2500/month for an additional Business Process (BP) is equivalent to another 10 users at List Price or really.....equivalent to the Enterprise Bundle at $500/month/user.

    So really, if you want 2 business processes, you need to get the Enterprise Bundle.  Might be a shock to the system for a client with requirements for 2 BP's (in the old SKU file at $120 (PBCS) + $120 (Narrative Reporting) to know the now have to spend $500 for the same.  Please tell me I'm misunderstanding. :)

  • Mark Rinaldi

    Hi Joel,

    Yes, EPM Standard Cloud only includes 1 Business Process from the 4 available at the base price per Hosted Named User (HNU).  If you want to add another Business Process, it is a flat rate of $2,500/month for the additional environments.

    See you at KScope?

  • Joel Bittick

    Mark, appreciate these updates.   Certainly large steps forward.  With the Standard bundle, if we have a client using Planning that also wants to turn on Narrative Reporting at a later date, is there any additional cost to do so?

  • Irina Feldesh, CPA, CGA

    We are also experiencing this issue. Can you post the SR number and an update of the latest on this from Oracle. If this is not going to be resolved in the next update, perhaps others should also file an SR and tag to yours.